“I hold no hatred in my heart against Jews I just don’t believe any group is exceptional, I don’t believe any group Black, White, Spanish, you watch my show you’re going to get offended and I am always going to call out wrongness when I see it and to the extent that we are using anti-Semitism as a tool to bar people from critiquing certain individuals”

Candace Owens

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all right everybody let’s jump right into this a very exciting episode for you today here in my hands I am holding an article that was published by PJ media the title is let’s be honest Candace Owens is a Jew hating bigot it was written by a rabbi Rabbi Michael barklay so I read this article and honestly there are only two options here either this Rabbi is genuinely ignorant of everything that I have ever said in which case I’m happy to clarify it because he will be joining us on today’s episode episode or the other option is

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he’s completely aware of the things that I have said and he is just a monster I’m excited to find out when we sit down here with Rabbi arlay that’s what we have coming up on cace [Music] Owens all right guys we’re going to jump right into this as I stated at the top of the show we have Rabbi Michael barklay he is by the way joining us really last second so if the shot is not perfect really appreciate him coming on such short notice um Rabbi Michael barklay welcome to the show thank you thank you for having me Candace and

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Candace I I really want to tell you you know I’ve written certain things and it and it gives me great optimism um that you’re gracious and reached out yesterday and and wanted to get together actually makes me very optimistic yes so I am the ultimate defender of free speech and I believe that we need more more speech not less of it when we see things and we believe them not to to be true rather than censoring that individual we should actually give that person a platform because people will walk away and be

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able to assess whether or not the statements they heard was true and so just to give a little bit of background to people listening to this you appeared on Charlie Kirk’s show and you referred to me as anti-semitic is that correct okay not only that not only that Candace I’ve actually written a couple of Articles one in November and one last week about your anti-Semitism yeah correct um and referring to that article that you wrote last week published on March 9th it the heading reads let’s be honest

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Candice Owens is a Jew hating bigot so that’s very Punchy very strong language and I want to actually go through this article Point by point so that you can defend your position and say why you wrote this Candace I think before that and as I said I’m very optimistic that you would have dialog about something I think before that there are some some real steps which is I have called you and I’m not alone in this many Jews have called you an anti-semite also talk to people who say you have a really sweethart just so you

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know you and I have a number of mutual friends uh in the world but I think it’s important to first identify what anti-Semitism is it is a different type of hate than any other type of hate in the world and if you and I are speaking Crossways because we have a different understanding and definition yeah that’s not going to lead to any dialogue that’s not going to Le look I I said to scholar I’d love to walk out of here and say you know what I was wrong and write an article I apologize and I was wrong but

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the first piece is to have a mutual and understanding of what is anti-Semitism I think that would help a tremendous amount totally agree with you on that that is a perfect place to start could you provide for us a definition of anti-Semitism I absolutely I really appreciate that because I think that is the break if we’re not speaking the same language what can we go right so there’s a man um a blessed memory man named Lord Jonathan uh saxs he was the chief Rabbi of England he had a great line he really

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defined anti-Semitism um that that anti-Semitism is Jews have no right to exist collectively as Jews with the same rights as other human beings it’s kind of weird statement we just track back a to understand the history of anti-Semitism 2,000 years ago Jews don’t accept Jesus as Messiah for people who do not have faith as the early Christians as some of them have faith some of them accept Jesus but they don’t really in their heart and you and I know both know people like Rob McCoy who accepts it fully in their heart other

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people who are doing it without faith and they’re they there those who have less Faith the fact that a Jew exists let alone thrives is a threat to their faith because how can the Jew not accept Jesus as God and still Thrive unless he’s associated with the devil so you start having these these myths that are created of the Jew being identified with the opposite of God this really codifies in 1144 in Norwich England What’s called the bloodline this is really important to understand especially today in 2024 in 1144 a young

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boy is killed and the local priest says that’s because the Jews need to make their mozah with Christian blood it’s called The Blood life let blame blame the problems of other people on the Jew just so you know that’s that’s so ridiculous not only just on its face but we’re forbidden from even having meat that has any blood in it this is a Torah law you can’t have that’s why you know we can’t have Stak tar okay so this gets perpetuated in combination with a fourth Century what’s called The Vulgate I’m

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sorry did you say in 1140 this happened 1144 in Norwich England okay this is after in the 4th Century you have something called The Vulgate The Vulgate is the official translation of the Bible in Hebrew there’s no vows and and the person who translates St who translates The Vulgate knows what he’s doing is translating wrong he puts down that when Moses comes down from Mount Si he has horns okay Karen when actually the word was Karan meaning that light Shone from his head so now by 11:44 you have the

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anti-semitic myth of Jews have horns and they drink blood and I know people who’ve been asked when they went into the army and other places can I see your hor so this still exists today in 2024 throughout America and I don’t mean just in little rural areas it exists today these myths that Vulgate Bible is the official Catholic Bible all the way through the 1970 so it is you need to understand that that’s a piece of it okay that that that they’re equated with with this kind of hate in because it’s about Jews not having

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the right to exist collectively when they live in their little communities in the Middle Ages anti-Semitism is a hate against their religion by the time you get to the 18th and 20th centuries when so many Jews have assimilated they are in culture they are in arts they’re in science it’s no longer against them for their religion it’s against them for their race this anti-Semitism is the oldest hate in the world and the hate that mutates in 1948 because remember as Lord sax I just want to pause it you said

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it’s a hate that mutates correct so your belief then is that the definition of anti-semitism can necessarily change is that correct it’s not just my belief it is the commonly accepted understanding in both the Jewish and academic worlds okay this isn’t okay as I said that’s why I quoted this is a quote it’s a great thing from Lord saak uh you know Jonathan Sachs it’s a great thing from Nia this this is just accepted as understanding of you know a cult I would just say off the bat I do

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not accept that definitions can just mutate that is something that I could debate that on like the definition of a woman I mean and I’m saying not just about Jewish people I think that we have to have a concrete definition to work with because then you can just update and say actually I’ve changed that and now is what constitutes anti-Semitism but Candace that is the horror of anti-Semitism so what you are saying to me is that anti-Semitism is this and does not change what I am saying to you is that the entire world and Scholars

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about anti-Semitism recognize that it is a unique hate that if you define it as the the the that that you should not be able to exist collectively okay as a collective they shouldn’t have that right that changes from the Middle Ages with religion the 18th through 20th centuries about race and then after Israel is created it’s a hatred based on the nation and until that’s ex until that is understood that that that it is this isn’t something that’s really questioned about among academics theologians Jewish

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Scholars I’m not presenting it this is why I thought I’m so optimistic about a dialogue but I think part of it is you view that the hate can’t mutate and what I’m trying to tell you is that we have 2000s years of history that demonstrate the exact opposite so I’m GNA just push back very just gently here for me personally if I thought that racism could just be an Ever shifting uh definition based on the experience of black people it would be a remarkable power and I would be able to create

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something like BLM which could say that everything was racist so I am not going to be able to agree that definition should be able to transform according to what’s happening during the day but here’s what I will say if you could just because I think it’s really important um for us to get to going through this article because then you might be able to explain why you vo as anti-Semitism if you could just give us what you are saying the current definition of anti-semitism is today that would be very helpful current definition of

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anti-semitism today has to do with What feelings are it has to do with anti- Zionism number one that is a definition anti-zionism anti-israel is anti-Semitism okay this is so you believe that Jewish people can be anti-semitic absolutely okay so so when you see a gathering of Jewish people who say you know I’m Jewish but I don’t support Israel or BB Netanyahu you say that person’s that person can be anti-semitic you just did two different things and was very uh you just did two thing two different things that were totally unrelated cany

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okay you said that you said that Jews that do not support Israel yes and you said Jews that do not support BB netan I’m just saying that because he’s the current prime minister so I’m saying like if they if they say I don’t support this is this is where you’re missing the point so I’m going to go under the following premise okay I’m going to go under the premise that you care about people you and I don’t know each other but I’m going to go under that premise I’m going to go under the premise that

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you have no desire to ever hurt anyone okay that’s the premise I’m coming into this dialogue with you have been devastatingly hurtful and I and and I think that that that I’m going to go from that you don’t understand what means to the Jewish world there’s a great teaching that that comes out of every sociologist every person in in academics is that I don’t get to tell a black man if he’s experiencing racism he knows I don’t get to tell you if you’re experiencing misogyny you know if I make a comment

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and it’s misogynistic and you say Rabbi you know that was really misogynistic my job is to say wow I didn’t mean that I apologize that’s not what I meant and you you and do not get the right to say what is anti-Semitic or Jew hatred I’m sorry I’m not trying to to I didn’t I don’t think I said anything about me having the right I just said to you would you then view because I I did host somebody who is Jewish Dave Smith on my show I’m sure you’re familiar with him he’s a comedian he’s a Libertarian

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he is not pro Zionist so I’m just asking you for clarity because you’re saying that you can’t dismiss a Jewish person but aren’t you thereby missing Jewish people who say that I don’t support Israel as a state I’m just trying to to have you answer that question I will ask you back the same question are there blacks who are do not support blacks are there pick the cause or the minority who do not support or not or or actually even better you and I both sit on the conservative side politic we share that right um and we

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Face the same way when it comes to that and we both I think are disappointed in those who Republicans the name over correct yes okay does that mean they’re not Republicans well I wouldn’t describe a race as a political IDE like a political party that’s very different so to say that you can’t be a race like you’re not black if you don’t support this is different than like you’re basically saying that a Jewish person can be anti-semitic so that would be like saying a black person can in fact

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be racist um towards or or or they’re not black look I’m not going to comment on black com Community I will say there are plenty of self-hating Jews okay so you do believe that’s all I was trying to get you to say is that Jewish people who don’t support Israel you are saying they are anti-semitic I just want to understand that I’m saying it very clearly they are self-hating Jews let’s use that term very specifically and you need to understand why they are self-hating Jews and you need to

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understand as as numerous people have talked about I’ve written about Greer’s talked about gorka’s talked Lin’s talked about a number of people have talked about um Shapiro’s talked about as I say I’ve written about is that a a people want to assimilate for 2,000 years J been persecuted and so they want to assimilate and so many have converted from Judaism not to another religion but to leftist politics that becomes their religion and they lose their identity that is a reality so you need to

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understand or I shouldn’t say you need to that’s not fair apologize I hope I would hope that you understand a history and an understanding that we Define what anti-Semitism is and what happened on October 7th what happened on October 7th and I wrote an article about you on no in November I don’t know if you read it or not I was told you have but I don’t know if you did or not I did not okay I wish you had had and I I really wish we had because we might be in a very different place you want to talk with

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Carlson after this is November and okay go ahead I’m gonna say I want to talk about that because you put that in your you put that in this article which was published just last week so so I wrote a very specific article and you can you can find it right now and it was an imp personal invitation to you and for you that everything else I had read or seen or heard that my belief and my hope is that your your comment of wanting to have an academics discussion about October 7th came from a place of not really realizing what October 7th was October

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7th is unique and recorded human history as the ugliest day of humanity what was done on October 7th taking a young woman taking her phone to videotape her being raped on the corpse of her dead boyfriend and then shot on it and sending that video to her parents beheading a man with a garden ho kicking a woman until her body parts follow is is unique in terms of the intention to attack civilians and so in November after you made the comment on Tucker Carlson about wanting an academic discussion about how you know those kind

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of comments that you made and the onway that you that you demonstrate I wrot an article saying that I would arrange for you there’s a a film 47 minute film by the IDF it is based it is not basic it is all the footage done by Hamas terrorists of what they were doing so proudly what they wanted to do and that my belief was I don’t think that you quite realize that and I would arrange for private screening you and your friends and that I would arrange that and then have the discussion about how you feel about October 7 okay so I just

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really would like to get to your article because I think it’s important I want to acknowledge your pain about October 7th uh you are that’s not an opinion that’s not an opin no I didn’t say opinion I said I want to acknowledge your pain about I apologize I apologize I op I apologize I didn’t say that I said I want to acknowledge your pain about October 7th and I want to get to that because you are yeah you’re mischaracterizing I said on Tucker Carlson but I do have the clip and we’re going to be able to to watch

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it I definitely did not say I wanted to have an academic debate about October 7th that’s not what I all um but I like I said I have the clip uh and I do also want I think it’s it’s best for us to dive into what what you actually wrote about me because there are several mischaracterizations I believe of what I said but both of us are going to be able to watch it um so again this this is the article and and by the way you did say in this article that you heard that I received your invitation that is false I

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think it’s important to just maybe name the people who told you that I received your invitation no I’d rather not do that especially since you’re saying that it’s incorrect and in which case I apologize no you can apologize I just think that like a lot of the reason that things happen is because there is this sort of back channeling and discussion and nobody told me that I got an invitation and now you’ve written that I refused an invitation and so that adds to people believing so Candace I’m going

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to ask you a question right now I’m inviting you forget about the article because I have no issue and would love to write an article saying I was wrong Candace Owens does not feel that way I would love that so I’m inviting you right now I will set up a screening for you will you come if you set up a screening for me after we go through this I just I just I want to also be able to estimate your character by going through some of the things that you wrote you did write some things that I believe wait wait wait I’m asking a yes

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or no question and just said to you I I’m going to give you an answer to that but I want to First go through your article because I want to be able to estimate wa what I’m asking you a question I will take the entire article I am I am not I’m not saying I’m not going to answer your question I am just saying that I would like to go through this see how you you said you haden’t had an invitation I’m asking you I don’t have to be there I’ll set it up for you okay sure if you want to set it up for me to

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have a screening of that here without you there that’s fine what I’m saying is that I would not i i i based on what you wrote about me I wouldn’t take an in I wouldn’t take an invitation from you anywhere I think that’s fair given what’s in this article I think that’s a normal human response that if somebody has written somebody something that is utterly liess about you it mischaracterizes what you said but if you want to set it up separately and you want to send it to the Daily wire and

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you want us to have a private screening I absolutely will watch the events of October 7th I that’s you know what God bless you and had I ever heard you say that I wouldn’t have written an article well I think you still would have because you made a lot of points in here um no no I wouldn’t have no I wouldn’t have because I believe in the idea that it’s about what we act and learn and and we have a concept called shba introduce them no actually honestly had you said there had at any point what you just now

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said to me that you would watch a screening I don’t need to be there that you would watch a screening um if I set it up I would not have written that article okay well I do still want to go through points though because you you do you hear that please yes I hear that and thank you for saying that but a lot of what you wrote in this article is a lot of what I’m assuming you have a friendly relationship with Rabbi Shuli has been saying about me so it’s really important to go through these points because when you write

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something like is a Jew hating bigot that’s very strong language and we we need to go through these points so so we go through all of them sure yes thank you okay just let’s just speak in here so you you basically make the argument that I’m that I’m drunk on Fame and that that is the reason why I have let out the truth about who I am which makes me a Jew hater first thing you say is that this is a woman who is such an anti-s semi and so ignorant of history that in 2018 she publicly said that Hitler was

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okay do you actually believe that I publicly said that Hitler was okay so from the recording that I heard including the Congressional testimony which I think was taken out of context and from the comments that you said okay if I and you correct if I’m wrong but my understanding from your comments is you were asked a question about nationalism and you responded about nationalism using the example that nationalism was good and that what Hitler did Hitler was nationalistic in Germany and that was okay you have said

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specifically you think Hitler is a horrible etc etc etc and you have condemned Hitler thank god without question and you also brought him up in that discussion about nationalist is that all accurate so when you just write she publicly said Hitler was okay that is dishonest because what I actually was saying was answering a question as you brought up where we were not even talking about Jews not talking about the Holocaust a woman was asking about whether or not it’s okay for people today to say that they’re nationalist

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when it’s often Associated as a dirty word and what I was saying was that it’s wrongly assoc with Hitler I don’t believe that Hitler was a nationalist because obviously Hitler invaded Poland he obviously had Ambitions outside of so what we have the clip we have the clip so we’re gonna play it so again the question that’s being asked of me is whether or not nationalism is nationalism is an okay word to embrace let’s play the clip so we can hear me and what I actually said absolutely yeah I agree I I actually

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don’t have any problems at all with the word nationalism I think that it gets uh the definition gets poisoned um by elitist that actually want globalism globalism is what I what I don’t want so when you think about whenever we say nationalism the first thing people think about in at least in America is Hitler you know he was a national socialist but if Hitler just wanted to make Germany great and have things run well okay fine the problem is is that he wanted he had dreams outside of Germany he wanted to

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globalize he wanted everybody to be German everybody to be speaking German everybody to look a different way that’s not to me that’s not nationalism so again we’re trying there to Define nationalism does your statement she publicly said that Hitler was okay is that an honest statement yeah so let’s let’s talk about this for a moment is that okay yeah um you were asked a question about nationalism you responded with an example of Adolf Hitler yes I said because Americans associate the reason

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why they think it’s a dirty word is because of Adolf Hitler you resp and you have subsequently and I’ve seen you subsequently and I think you even said it in the Congressional appearing you have obviously condemned him for who he was um but you brought Hitler’s name into a discussion correct and you justifi that this is how America feels or how people feel and that’s your take on it it’s not necessarily accurate and in fact it probably isn’t from a from an actual sociological standpoint but

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that’s your opinion fine but Candice you you put in the same sentence what he did if it just had stayed in Germany was okay but more importantly and here’s a piece of the anti-Semitism why bring one of the most evil men of history into the discussion you could just as easily have given any negative examples of nationalism you chose to bring Hitler up not them I did and I I have no I’m I I if I could go backwards in the context of trying to understand why Americans think that nationalism is a bad word it

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was appropriate for me to bring off Adolf Hitler it is totally appropriate in any capacity when you are talking about history and historical sentiments to bring up any relevant character that has created those sentiments so are I just want to again I just want to yes or no after watching that in we I I I want to make sure we don’t run out time here after watching that in context do you think it is fair that you wrote She publicly said that Hitler was okay Hitler was okay yes by bringing me even into the conversation yes I do okay

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great let’s move on here um because I again this discussion we’re having between us but I I I want the public to be able to you know to do what’s fair and what’s not fair you then wrote this statement a mere month after the horrors of babies being beheaded women being raped and the sleo of Horrors from Hamas Owens went on Tucker Carlson’s show to speak about how it really wasn’t that bad and why should she even care after all she seems to think that Hitler was okay so what’s the problem is that true

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that I went on Tucker Carlson’s show and said that October 7th really wasn’t that bad um yeah actually it did and you did it through the implications the words and and I actually do know where some of those clips are because I’ve rewatched it multiple times and you specifically say you want to have an academic discussion you specifically say um I don’t want to misquote you that you have a you have a you believe you have a moderate stance okay because you see the children dying and on both sides and you

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talk about um the pain and I think you do feel pain about Gaza um and this goes back to the anti-Semitism canas what happened October 7th is unique it is to to even make a moral equivalency this is one of the keys in anti-Semitism and in any Prejudice and bigotry is that an inappropriate moral equivalency is cre when someone says that this race these people whomever are like dogs they’ve made a moral equivalency between those people and dogs that is bigotry that is hat so I just I first want to debunk the idea that I first want to debunk the

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idea that I did not like I in any way said it really wasn’t that bad that statement never came out of my mouth and I also want to show that actually contrary to that I I condemned I condemned what Hamas did so let’s just show that clip of what I said and then I want to get to your quotation about academic discussion let’s just show what I said about Hamas I have seen every single person including myself condemn what happened on October 7th I have because who wouldn’t condemn terrorism it’s OB who

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would not condemn innocent Israelis dying but if you then say that it is also sad when an innocent Palestinian child dies suddenly this is pramas or you need to say even when you’re talking about how sad it is that a child dies you need to button that statement by saying but that child was a human shield that’s not going to be my response um first off as a mother as not going to be my response as somebody who is about to do to give birth when I see these images of children involved on both sides of the conflict I’ve pointed to the the

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people that are mocking dead Israeli children and said that they are horrific I am even Keel on this matter and yet people think that you need to be extreme so people that have become more radical and extreme are perceiving a moderate stance as not enough and I was don’t people can disagree with you or agree with you or whatever but you certainly don’t seem radical on this topic and I’m going to hold here before you comment on that because your next sentence as you just said she wanted to talk about the

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depravities of Hamas as an academic discussion and refused to even condemn Hamas so we just saw that I did condemn Hamas um and regarding the academic discussion I’m sorry no you made a moral equivalency between Hamas and Gaza I didn’t do that there is no moral equivalency what Hamas did is evil it is not a tragedy only it is evil I’m sorry Candace but you make an equivalency that does not exist in most people’s mind and certainly in no Jews L okay so I’m glad that you said that so people can hear

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what I actually said and hear what you are saying and how you are taking it I don’t know how you could write this statement she refused to condemn Hamas when I literally said who would not condemn these horri events you don’t condemn them uniquely evil you put them in parap puru relationship you’re saying that you’re saying that even though I did so now you’re admitting that I did condemn Hamas even though she refused to what condemnation is is this where you really want to go is have an English

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discussion you no no no you wrote she refused to condemn Hamas these are your words because when you put that at the moment you say that they have a moral equivalency with anything else that’s not condemnation no matter I said I said it is it’s sad when an innocent it’s not condemnation and just ask you question is it sad is it sad sit there do that I don’t want cut each other off okay because clearly what we are having here is just a disagreement there’s no reason to get angry do you think do you think

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it is sad when an innocent Palestinian child dies Candice I cry every day and it’s not just for Israel and this is one of the things you clearly do not understand the same way most don’t who are anti-em who don’t get it I cry for what’s going on in Israel I cry just as much for what we are forced to do golden Mayer had a great quote she said that one day we may be able to forgive them for killing Israeli children we will never be able to forgive them for making them making us kill their children what about my statement of

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saying that I also cry for Palestinian children is wrong to you if you also admit it is sad when Palestinian children die it’s painful but it is not in any way shape or form morally equivalent to O October 7th that is the anti-semitic bigotry I didn’t say that I just want to be clear people are watching it’s it’s just not what came out of my mouth but I’m not goingon I don’t want I don’t want to get hung up I don’t want to get hung up on that I want to I want to now point to um you said I

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wanted to talk about the depravities I’m going to quote it she wanted to talk about the deivi of Hamas as an academic discussion actually I was talking about NATO and here is the clip of what I said when I use the words academic discussion take a listen I mean you can go back to me even talking about Native expansion before things erupted between Russia and Ukraine and and having a meaningful discussion about how much expansion is too much expansion how would we feel if we had troops on our border these are

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things that should be allowed in an academic discussion you should be able to sit on stage and should be able to debate these ideas without using OD homant attacks you’re using it in the reference Candice in the dialogue about October 7 you’re using your discussions of NATO as an analogy in an analogous way about how we should able to discuss October 7th from a foreign okay so you think that it is fair after listening to that me talking about NATO and me talking about Russia and Ukraine and saying that we should

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always be able to have an academic discussion about foreign policy you think your statement still is fair saying that she wanted to talk about the depravities of Hamas as an academic discussion because you’re using that context and you’re the one taking your own quotes out of context I played it I didn’t take it out of cont I just played it then play the whole paragraph We were talking before that the entire issue I did so the first part was what I just showed you that was actually a split clip the first part the first half

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of that was when you that the one that we just showed you when you said that I said it really wasn’t that bad and why should she even care the first part I say I condemn Hamas and then I said that my I’ve been consistent in always saying that we should have a topic we should be able to discuss foreign policy removed from ad homant attacks because that is the truth and that’s how I feel but to be clear broke out academic discussion because I was referring Candace okay I’m going to ask you I’m going to ask you really

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simple questions okay no no no no I I I want to keep going through this I think it’s important it’s about this so I’m gonna ask you a simple question do you ever mean to hurt people because they race religion or color ever do I ever mean to hurt people say that because of because they’re race religion or color ever I can’t hear the last part I don’t know why I’m I’m not here I’m Sor apologize we know about the techn do you ever intend to hurt or want to hurt anyone based on their race religion

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theology color Etc no never not once all right what you need to hear is your statement I’m not alone in this because it is the whole context of October 7th it’s hurtful to chws okay and I want to give you and I’d like to give you an analogy that I think that might really help our dialogue if that’s okay a number of years ago a movie came out called The Passion of the Christ did you did you see the movie yes it’s a wonderful movie okay and um I saw the movie as well I saw it the opening day

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and saw it twice and I arranged for a screening of priest students Minister students Rabbi students rabbis ministers and Priests loyal La met when I was Professor okay I realized something in watching that movie there are two movies going on if you accept Jesus as your savior then that movie is so brilliant and so painful about his suffering that it it trans it it it transcends everything else and that’s all you see and I think you just said it was a brilliant movie and and as many my friends did Loyola Etc I think it was a

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brilliant movie too was one that if you don’t accept Jesus as your savior you’re not so emotionally attached to all the suffering that gibes and portrays so well and so what you do notice as an example is are all the anti-semitic things so I had a discussion with a woman who’s the senior vice president of lyola when the movie came out she said Rabbi there’s no anti-Semitism and so actually I’ll give you an example of one scene there’s a scene of little Jewish kids who chase Jews Judas and they morph into demons

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and they’re wearing modern 20th century yamakas and they have classic Jewish AR stereotypical faces they morph to demons and with modern Yus it’s that that Trope of Jews as demons and Lany said to me I don’t remember that scene and I realized in that moment she was so emotionally involved in the suffering of Jesus she didn’t notice the anti-Semitism but both are true in the movie you may not have the desire to have that pain in your heart but what I’m trying to tell you is by having a conversation with Tucker

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Carlson Under the Umbrella of October 7 which is what that segment was about and saying that you have a moderate stance that there should be able to be discussion like just like there is in about Native it validates the reality of the absolute evil that is unique to October 7 had you asked me on October 6th what to do with Hamas despite that in their Covenant of 1988 their Charter which I don’t if you read despite the fact that in article 71 and 13 they call for the destruction of all Jews M if you’d ask me on October 6

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I would say we should do whatever we should do for peace what they did on o October 7th was surrender their human Souls they became AMC if you’re familiar with the character the Bible and what they did is so evil it cannot be compared to anything else just like what Hitler did is so evil no one should compare I don’t care if it’s Trump or Obama no one should compare any political leader today to him you did it under a guys whether you meant to or not it was anti-semitic against okay so I just don’t I’m just going to be honest

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with you I don’t accept that characterization so what I’m doing now is I’m allowing you to say what you believe and showing the clips not removed from their context and we have to just allow you know people to take from this discussion what they can if you’re like most Americans you’re struggling to make ends meet everything is more expensive these days by the time you pay the bills fill up your car and go grocery shopping there’s almost nothing left you’re laying out your credit card for all non-essentials or

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net nmls 182 334 nmls consumer access.org APR for rates in the five start at 6.79% for well-qualified borrowers call 800 7951 1210 for details about credit costs and terms now I do want to move on though because then the next sentence almost appears to me to be the inversion of what actually happened you write she castigated Ben Shapiro for being passionately pro-israel I couldn’t find a clip on that uh so I just wanted to ask you what you were referring to because actually what happened was Ben insulted me publicly I have not insulted

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Ben publicly so I’m just wondering where that sentence where we can look for castigating Ben sh being I try find that’s number one number two just of your head where where where I was when I castigated him what where I was when I disrespected him Candace I I will be happy to go try and find you things about I’m sure Ben can find him as well I’m sure other people can I want to make something real clear about this though I don’t think that there is a place for any of the kind of dialogue especially between people who are the

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same conservatives who are on the same side I don’t think there’s a place to personally insult anyone and that comes from both sides I don’t think it’s okay for anyone to insult you or your family I don’t think it’s okay for you to insult anyone or their fam I call you an anti-semite because I that is how I judge what the way you act and what you said okay I’m very pleased I’m very pleased that you’ve agreed to watch the documentary makes me very happy and you can comment on it after you’ve watched it makes me

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really happy honestly and I think that and hope that after you see that you have a whole different understanding but I don’t think it’s okay for anyone to say make personal attacks now when Ben Shapiro calls you an anti-semite I call you an anti-semite I only wish goodness on your soul but that is how you act okay that’s very different than calling you a Fillin the blank prority okay but you did write she castigated Ben Shapiro for being pro-israel so I’m just asking you happy to find happy to

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find the exact quotes for happy to find I because never it just never happened I would never okay you’re saying that I’m happy to find okay but he did he did insult me but I did not insult Ben so that that was very interesting because I was like that’s almost an inversion of what happened here well okay Candace he says something differently I think but I will I will find and give you I’m happy to let Skyler know a a place in that and only in that specific interview by the way in oh in that interview we’re

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talking about that interview that’s why I was asking you what interview tuck me and Tucker talking about Ben you’re say that I C him for being pro Israel K I’m happy I’ll say it again I’m happy to find those spaces where you castigated him and send them to Skyler and and you can decide to share them with your audience or not put it in right right in here if there’s a example of a clip of me doing that um because actually I abstained from doing that and told Tucker that it’s not something that

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I would do um okay then you go on to talk about me attacking Rabbi schi my audience has already seen him attacking me over the last two years um and I’m just going to ask you a basic question does a black person or any person have a right to defend themselves absolutely okay because that is Rob sh and his daughter have attacked me and made videos of me for two years straight I have responded once and you have now you’re basically saying that I’m anti-semitic for responding so I’m just I want your your perception of when

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it is that a black person is allowed to respond so first of all I know schie peripherally we’ve probably met a half a dozen times okay he is an incredibly knowledgeable man he formed L Society in Oxford incredibly knowledgeable man um and with nine kids right and we have something in Judaism preas Christianity but it’s also Christianity as well to an extent called L the evil tongue that to gossip to uh to say certain things like that are are is is really a huge AA it’s a huge sin I don’t know all the things that he

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has said about you I do know he’s called you an anti-semite and so have I that’s not a personal attack on you and your family for you to call a man who is extremely knowledgeable an Unholy Rabbi and his hag daughter forgetting about what he may or may not have done if he’s attacked you personally if he’s said whatever horrific things about you personally that you are a blankly blankly blankly blankly blank he’s wrong of of if he’s attacked you or your children or your family you’re mother

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um for you to rather than comment on whatever he’s done to call him an Unholy Rabbi that is way out of line you don’t even know what a rabbi is supposed to do so let me ask you question do you view that as anti-semitic for me to respond so it’s anti okay so he can attack me for two years is he a racist just to be clear I don’t know he he attacks you so I can’t so what if I say that the definition of racism changes and if you attack a black person uh you’re a racist cace you don’t

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get to get away with that depends howang because at the beginning of this discussion you did say that you can’t tell a black it’s been I two years consistently of him him and his daughter attacking me tell saying that I wasn’t there I’m asking you I’m asking all okay but if you’re saying that you weren’t there why would you put this into rri is isn’t it coming upon you to research what’s happened before you you start saying to me that defending myself is anti-Semitic cand cand

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if he attacked you personally if he said you were a black filling the blame then he should be reprimanded that but it doesn’t justify what you did you don’t know what a rabbi does you don’t know our theology how dare you call him an Unholy Rabbi how dare you go into the misogynistic excuse me the the the anti-semitic Trope of his had daughter something used throughout the late 18th and and early uh through the early 20th century sorry sorry hag is now anti-semitic that is a term of his hag daughter that goes back into the witches

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of of of Eastern Europe why did you have to call her a hag daughter to be clear because she’s a witch I think she’s a witch that’s not because she’s Jewish I would call I would call someone a hag of any color I think she’s a witch what they have done over the last two years I believe his daughter is a hag I said that because that’s what I believe you may disagree with me on that but to to say that that’s anti-semitic is ridiculous I would call any a Candace Candace um I’m gon to be very clear without trying to be

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insulting so please forgive me if it comes off wrong okay it’s not meal it’s fine you can insult me I don’t want to I’ve dealt with two years of a rabbi insulting me so I’m I’m I’m totally with this yeah I have no desire to insult anybody okay but do you understand are you familiar with the history of the fairy tales and the folk tales of Eastern Europe I I know that we can I know that we can go back and we can also say no no no no no I’m asking a specific question that the which archetype of those fairy

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tales were specifically modeled and called the Jews that the Jews of that part of the world were called hags and witches specifically because they didn’t eat the same food they had different practices and they were excluded that way as part of the bloodline so you are saying that we by calling a rabbi’s daughter her a witch a had daughter you have tapped into an anti-semitic Trope that goes about hundreds of years whether you mean to or not okay now now that I told you that yeah okay do you think maybe there are better words to

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call her than a hag daughter I’m actually not going to edit my language for two people that have been attacking me for two years and so what I’m going to say is is that what I’m going to say is that and I’m I want to be very strong on this I am not going to be told whether you want to dress it up as anti-Semitism you want to dress it up this or that that I cannot respond and defend myself I’m certainly not going to be told that I need to be contained in how I respond after two years of consistent attacks from two individuals

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so I I want to just say on that point you and I will never come to an agreement I stand by everything that I said about him and I’m not going to have that everything that I say including yesterday when he says that me finding his the products and stuff that he sells and promotes as a Rabbi to be Unholy to say that I am only saying that because it’s made in Israel it’s poly ridiculous but what it looks like to a lot of people and I’m going to tell you this and I’m expressing this in case you are

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an individual as I’m sure you are that is concerned about the rise of anti-Semitism but my suspicion is that people that are watching this are going to think that now we are using the word anti-Semitism like BLM began using racism right which is to say that you cannot let me finish my statement I’m just telling you what I am going this is my suspicion I have tons of Jewish listeners but given what you’ve said about Dave Smith who is a Libertarian he is not a far-left liberal he just does not support what Israel is doing so in

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this you have said that Jewish people you you’ve made comments about a lot of Jewish people who maybe don’t agree with what’s happening in Israel you are now saying that a person who’s being attacked for two years still needs to be careful on how they approach a Jewish person that’s been doing the attacking no one is going to accept that that’s that’s ridiculous and then to say this particular word it sounds like everything that anybody says needs to First need to weigh against the

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feelings of somebody and their history you I could find examples of black people being called witches I can’t then say that nobody can ever call a black person a witch you know even if it has what happened in Salem you could you could go on and on right but the point is that if you are a black person you’ve been attacking two years I don’t care if person calls him a rabbi in fact I would question what it means to be a rabbi maybe you can explain if you have been consistently attacking and threatening

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somebody literally he gave a quote to the Jerusalem Post which actually I like the Jerusalem Post they report on things very accurately in which he says that he wants to bankrupt Candace Owens that is a direct threat to somebody’s livelihood it is Despicable and because you call yourself a rabbi it does not mean that people cannot say but it is poly ridiculous that you are using finances as a mode of threat against people because you don’t like their speech it is ridiculous and let me tell you what that leans into an anti-semitic Trope

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about Jewish people and money for a rabbi to stand up and say let’s bankrupt her all day you can scream I’ve let you talk a lot that’s not that’s not fair I’ve let you talk a lot kace it’s your show you’re going to edit and say what you want I’m not gonna edit this whatsoever I promise you okay great terrific I appreciate that no one has if someone is attacking you you can defend yourself and and if someone is saying a bad thing about you I would even go and defend you as well

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for them saying that she’s a black such and such she’s a female such and such she’s whatever may be if he’s attacking you and again I’m not privy to those two years of of attacks that you’ve had but the moment you start saying things like an Unholy Rabbi when you do not know a rabbi’s job and you don’t know Judaism you don’t know what is considered kadosh what is considered holy or not holy Jews when the moment you make those kind of comments you’ve crossed a line and

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you didn’t need to make them I get you’re angry I get you feel violated by I get you feel he that he attacks you unjustifiably I haven’t been part of the discussions so I he may have but that doesn’t ever give you then the right to say what you said and it demonstrates again a pattern of behavior of a of an unawareness that you have about Jewish theology a lack of awareness you have about Jewish history and about anti-Semitism the fact that you can’t accept what all academics what the I shouldn’t say all because

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everything all but what academics what Lord sacks with theologians all accept about that anti-Semitism is the unique ha that mutates what Prager has done at Prager you video on the fact that you can’t even accept that is in itself problematic I I just I I think that it’s to understand that you have discern you have decided that you Candace Owens are more knowledgeable wise and you made brilliant in a lot of feeli that’s not that’s not what I’ve said that’s not I’ve never said these

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things I didn’t say I was more wife I just said call his daughter a hag and I meant it I’m not taking the words back that’s what I’ve said the fact that you can’t accept that the definition of anti-semitism that you think you know the definition better than Scholars academics Jewish theologians better than rabbis is a level of humous as I say you may know all sorts of things about all sorts of topics but you’re now dancing in a field where Shiro dances I dance where uh Rabbi schi you know and and and I’m

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trying to tell you that you were repeatedly doing anti-semitic Behavior but your underlying premise that you said at the beginning of our dialogue was that you don’t accept that definition of anti-semitism what I said is I don’t accept the definitions mutate is what I said to you beginning of this dialogue and I’m telling that’s the definition of anti-semitism you have now said that you know more than Lord Jonathan sax so I believe I’m gonna guess actually knew your father-in-law because it’s not that big of a world

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there and you can ask anyone about Lord sex you are now saying that you don’t accept the definition well okay what I’m saying to you is that there’s debate even amongst Jewish people about the definition of anti-semitism as I pointed to you no that’s a pretty much accepted one if you’re saying the definition mutates and you’re saying it has no definition right it has definition comes from the word Define if it has definition it has a shape right you can’t say the shape can mutate the

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square can become a circle can become a triangle it that means that it has no shape you’re talking about an amoeba say it again it mutates because the definition again I’m using I’m quoting Lord sax directly quoted him where he says that Jews have this is his definition it’s pretty much accepted Jews have no right to exist collectively as Jews with the same rights as other human beings sounds like a definition and the reason that it mutates how that becomes manifest is because in the Middle Ages it’s about

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religion when they come out of the Shettles when they go into the Cosmopolitan areas and in the 18th through 27th or 20th century excuse me that hate M has now manifested and mutated so it’s not about religion it’s about race just so I’m clear did more sa say it mutates or are you saying it mutates I’m sorry I couldn’t hear AP did Lord saxs say it mutates or are he says it mutates correct can you can you just resay the quotation his direct quotation that it is a hate that mutates it is a hate that mut virus he

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calls it that mutates and that he’s not alone in that and then by the time you get to the 20th century it now has mutated to be anti- the nation so the hate manifests as first religion then as race and now as Nation so would you say say that anybody who takes issue with anything that Israel does is an anti-semite of course not that’s less okay because a ludicrous State okay because then why are that’s a ludicrous okay I’m glad you said that because earlier when we were talking about Dave Smith and I said that

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some Jewish people don’t agree with what Israel is doing as a nation you suggested that they were self-hating Jews that’s not what I suggested what I said is there’s a very difference between supporting Israel and supporting bb or the government there’s a huge difference support of Israel is to understand and and I think again this is a place Eugene Bishop who was one of the heads of the central Conference of American Bishops great Catholic leader um said a number of things and monor mon Senor Royal

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Vatican of blessed memory I actually heard him say this uh Royal said he was one of the first people to do Interfaith dialogue after Vatican 2 and Royal said the following he said that no non-jew can ever fully understand the relationship between the Jewish people and the land of Israel in the same way that no Jew can understand how a bunch of old Bishops excuse me old Cardinals go into a building white smoke comes out and some of one suddenly one of them is inal it’s a quote from Royal Vatican blessed Member One of the founders of

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interfaith dialogue the 6070s what I’m trying to explain to you is our tie to Israel that one when you make an anti-zionist not just you when anyone makes a com an anti-zionist comment that is anti-Semitism well when you say anti- Zionist when you say anti-zionist you don’t mean criticizing Israel’s government just no you can criticize govern okay so I’m just not but criticize it okay but there’s let’s go can we follow that path for a moment because I think this might get us somewhere as I said from the beginning

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I’m optimistic I’d like to get somewhere to criticize Israel’s government is one thing I want to do that great um that’s you want to especially you want to criticize America’s involvement relationship with Israel You’re an American citizen support that but understanding have you ever read the Covenant of 1988 for Hamas no I have not read the Covenant of 1988 for Hamas so let me tell you about Hamas in their Charter which you can find easily online the Covenant of 1988 um they claim that they are a the

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the subsidiary for the region of the Muslim brother which I’m sure you know a lot about or you learn a lot and they call for the obliteration of all Jews they um say in article 7 that the Muslim day of judgment will not come until every Jew is killed and those few who still live Hide between exp this is a quote between the Rocks behind excuse me behind the rocks and the trees and the trees call out o Abdullah Muslim there’s a Jew hiding behind me come kill me the definition of a Palestine which there is no historical

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Palestine the definition of a Palestine from the river to the sea from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea means no Israel it is as lord saxs said it is that don’t have a right to live collectively in a nation and so when to it’s one thing to say I don’t agree with what the government’s doing it’s an entire other thing to create a moral equivalency which you keep doing inappropriate a moral equivalency between anything Israel does and what happened October 7th there is no equivalency Israel’s not going out to go

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out and try to to take go into to Arab homes and to take and torture a child in front of the parents and then kill the child and kill the parents Israel doesn’t do that Israel is most ethical Army in the na I I think we might be having a fundamental disagreement on what moral equivalency is and I tend to agree with Dave Smith that actually what moral equivalency is is saying that irrespective of anything we are going to judge these people the same that would be morally equivalent right but we don’t need to go into that

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because I didn’t do any of that and I I just totally disagree with how you’ve characterized my discussion with Su Carlson at all because like I said I clearly said I didn’t end what Hamas did and then I said that it’s sad when a Palestinian child dies and then you agreed that it’s sad when a Palestinian child dies so I don’t understand why these two statements seem to you to be trying to morally equate anything I just making two stat minutes and 20 seconds into your video you make the comment

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about of being I believe that’s the time place you make the comment that you have moderate stance and everything else is extremist and what I’m trying to explain to you is that once and I hope once you see the idea of film we can have another dialogue well no I’m I’m just saying that I do think that when anything you know horrific happens it turns a lot of people into extremists overnight and they become very extreme in their language you have you have judged you you have you you not you’ve not you’ve

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not let me finish my statement okay I’ve let you talk very much what I have said is that when anything happens what tends to H what tends to happen after that is people become very extreme in their rhetoric and actually there is a really good example is it Joel over at breart who wrote something very extreme following October 7th online and then a couple days later he wrote a long paragraph apologizing and saying why he was emotional why his rhetoric was extreme and what he actually wants to accomplish he recognized his own emotion

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and people get very extreme when they’re emotional it’s understandable but when they are in that emotion they start to perceive other people who are actually saying what they’ve always said as somehow a attacking them or saying something that’s wrong and then usually you know the scales fall from their eyes the more distance there is from the actual event that took place and they’re able to hear things more rationally again that is all that I was saying with Tucker is I haven’t really moved any of

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my stances whatsoever and that is why people are bothered whether you think that’s understandable or not is not going to change things I do want to get to this though because like I said we’re not going to agree on Rabbi schmi we’re not going to agree on his daughter we’re I’m not going to agree on your interpretation that my defense of myself is somehow anti-Semitism I intend to keep defending myself against somebody that I uh you know view to be absolutely despicable and actually what I will say

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is that in terms of anti-Semitism I think a lot of it uh stems from what I what I would say is individuals feeling that amidst their own communities let’s remove let’s remove dues from this if a black person does something wrong I immediately call it out on my show I’ve said tons of things about black people acting like thugs I’ve stood up against black people they were using racism um basically just to absolve themselves from any critique but when it comes to the Jewish Community it’s very odd I think to watch

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the indefensible get defended right the indefensible get defended like what Rabbi schi what rabbi schy did over the last two years I would expect people to come out and say it’s obviously wrong instead what we have is you coming out and saying well what canace is saying in defense of herself is actually what’s wrong rather than saying maybe both maybe saying what rab did was absolutely wrong but you you can’t take you can’t take the time to look into what he said for the last two years is what you’re

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saying but you wrote this article in defense of him C Candace this is not about Shi and it was not in defense of him and I said to you earlier in this talk if he was saying inappropriate things he should be reprimanded for that that’s not what you said here in your article though this is about you and your pattern of behavior and your pattern of words and and I I have no issue and maybe you should do a little bit more reading of what I’ve written you wrote like any father schie defends his children when attacks wait I have

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taken on un the the unethical behavior of Jewish leaders and Jewish organizations publicly to the detriment of my own life I’ve taken on Jonathan greenl for five years of what he’s done to the ADL I got the receipts to prove it you can read articles okay I’ve exposed him for what he’s done that was not right so when you make a comment like when someone does something wrong in the Jewish Community the Jewish Community doesn’t say anything I’m you and I are talking and I have a history of both calling out

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people who are unethical within my own tradition and standing up for other groups that are not in my tradition that are being persecuted okay last year about wait wait about a year you’re and you didn’t do the research about that because about a year year and a half ago Catholics were being so disrespected I’m not Catholic by the LA judgers wanting to um honor the sisters of Perpetual Indulgence a trans group that dresses up like nuns and to honoring Dodger Stadium I not only wrote articles my articles

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helped promote General Flynn to help promote Catholics for Catholics to do a demonstration at Dodger Stadium that I spoke at but that had nothing to do with Jewish people wait and I’ve called out Jewish people why don’t you Google my name in Jonathan greenl great I’m I’m glad I think that all all together everybody glad I’m glad what I’m just trying to I am trying to communicate to you that when people can go and as they have seen as I showed on my show all of the attacks on Rabbi schi which were

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were available to you when you wrote this article and then they see you write something please let me finish my statement please they they see you write something Rabbi schie is an author of 31 books was a rabbi at Oxford for 11 years has a 30-year career of writing speaking preaching and guiding people in Jewish beliefs he has also been an activist in many causes and most importantly is a most importantly is a loving father of nine children and like any father he defends his children when attacked and is proud of their accomplishments hold

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hold because I never attacked them first they’ve been attacking me consistently for two years and then you go on hold on hold on Candace you’re smarter than this I know but just let me finish let me finish then you go on and you talk about me the people might say this might be a racist Troke but here we go she dropped out of college because of a quote unquote issue with a student loan never even voted in elections until she had successfully created her unique brand a pretty black woman who’s politically

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conservative when anyone confronts her about her lack of knowledge or wisdom she retreats to the position of counterattacking them for not appreciating a strong black woman who goes against every goes against The Stereotype when you read something like that and you see that comparison in how you are presenting people despite the fact that factually speaking Rabbi Shi and his daughter were the ones attacking me for two years straight I didn’t even know who they were when you talk about when you speak about me like that and

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make it seem like I’m I’m sorry let me use your words here lack of knowledge or lack of wisdom how do you think the public perceives that when I’m the one that’s being I’m not concerned about how the public perceives it or not what I’m concerned about is if you believe and I cannot judge this because I’m not con I’m not aware of two years I don’t follow you okay just my life is too busy I got a congregation and and teenagers and also sorts of things if you believe that shi and his his daughter are doing

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things that are attacking you on a personal level not attacking your persona not attacking what you do am I calling you as anti-semite is attacking you for how you act not attacking you as a human being please understand there is a difference of who we are and how we are she dropped out of college is attacking you if he is attack attacking you on any personal way that doesn’t mean it’s okay for you to attack him you know better than that you teach your children all that better than that no I I actually F like

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everything I’m saying about I’m like if this is Holy like you know selling butt plugs with your daughter I I don’t know maybe you’re right I think it’s gross I think it’s disgusting and I do not it’s not the definition of holy in the Christian faith is what I would say it’s weird to me it’s very and this could be a difference in our religions but by the way your Rel does not Trump My Religion so I think that you should respect the fact when I say something as Unholy I am

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referring to my religion every his relationship between him and his daughter is very creepy to me the sex podcast is very creepy to me the idea of sitting down and talking to your father about you know topics of sex in any regard is creepy to me him promoting butt plugs that are sold by his daughter is creepy to me I have a right to say that I find this to be utterly Unholy and that any faith leader at least in the Christian Community would agree that all of this is giving us very weird Vibes between the father and daughter

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relationship I can say that all I want and I and I I do think that part of it and this is where we get to the topic of where people perceive this and they say is this a form of Jew Supremacy to say suspend your Christianity because my my Judaism matters more is the feeling that I get when you say you don’t get to say it’s an Unholy Rabbi Rabbi pornography pornography is is Unholy in my view you might have disagree with that it is Unholy to to to Christians the topic of pornography pedaling pornography selling

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butt plugs you know the commercialization of pornography is Unholy and I’m going to continue to call him Unholy because that is what I deem him to be and I say that as a Christian okay so Candace if you made the comment right and you said that this man Rabbi or not Rabbi because it doesn’t matter if he’s a rabbi or not from what you’re telling me you’re understanding of your theology is okay um your understanding of your Christian theology I don’t know what denomination or SE part of is that what he’s doing is

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Unholy then for you to say that from my Christian Perspective what this man is doing is Unholy I absolutely respect for you to say my position as a mother as a woman I find what this is what is going on here is creepy I don’t find that anti-semetic in the slightest either of those comments I I really don’t But but so please hear that because I don’t if You’ said this guy is creepy okay that’s not anti-semitic that’s your opinion on on the relationship of what he’s doing if you said the what his what

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his um what this business that he and his his daughter I don’t know if it’s he and his daughter or just his daughter I don’t know if they’re combined in the business I have no idea but that this business is um from my Christian perspective is very Unholy that’s not anti-Semitic it’s not I mean here if you had said that I wouldn’t be talking about have to say as a Christian I am a Christian and it’s Unholy okay no you said you determine you who are not a theologian who who does not know Jewish

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theology at all and I’m pretty sure doesn’t know what gamar or mishta are or how they’re used or the dialogues about marital intimacy you decided he’s Unholy yeah now if you said from my Christian Perspective he’s an Unholy man or he’s doing Unholy things God bless you and I’m fine with it but you didn’t you said it’s an Unholy Rabbi and his had dog and and again what I was really hoping to hear which I haven’t heard from you once in this very long talk is the realization of saying you know what

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Rabbi I hadn’t thought about that you’re right I understand how that would be considered anti-semitic and that wasn’t my intention I have a problem with this man I have a problem with I’ve seen zero so far other than the fact that you say you’re willing to watch a documentary film by the IDF I’ve seen zero self-responsibility of saying you know what I didn’t mean that I didn’t say that or excuse me I didn’t mean that that’s not my intention and I’m sorry well I just want to I heard

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that from you yeah once what I what I made clear to that shows me a very that’s really disappointing to well I don’t want you to be disappointed and as I always say to people I no I’m serious I don’t want you to be disappointed I understand that human beings have a lot of feelings right everybody has you can say I watch this and this is how I felt about it for me the reality of what I have actually said and the way that it is being interpreted I don’t think is fair like I that’s why I wanted to go

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through the clips of what you said what you wrote that I said versus what I actually said I I when I did condemn hamash you’re saying I didn’t condemn Hamas you’re saying I attacked Ben Shapiro you don’t have the clip available I I I I feel that actually Happening Here is you want me to apologize for things that I never said on the basis of how you felt and that’s not I have a suggestion okay I have a suggestion okay you and I are both politically conservative right I mean I am and I know you are and I would hope

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that we’re all faced in the same direct way I’d like to ask you some specific questions about the things in that article and and you just tell me okay and and so if I misinterpreted something if I misread something I Mard something you feel I misunderstood something you know communication happens especially when we’re doing writing miscommunication happens so I’m going to ask you simple questions that that would define anti-Semitism with the vast majority of rabbis Jews and theologians do you believe October 7th

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was uniquely evil and on a whole other level that anything going on especially anything going on in God or anything else right now from the moral ethical your point of view as a Christian I am asking you point blank do you feel that October 7th what happened is uniquely at a whole little level and depth of evil yes or no I believe that what happened on October 7th is evil we’ve seen you believe it is a whole other level than anything else especially what is going on in gopel I think that there have been things that have happened historically

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like the Holocaust like what the buik did to Christians the Christian Holocaust that I not answering trying to answer your question I guess I would like you to explain to me in your own context Holocaust versus what happened on October 7th why is October 7th uniquely evil compared to the Holocaust maybe you can educate in October 7th there was you don’t know your history about the Holocaust then in October the Holocaust was a machine that was made and cost Germany the war so You’ say October 7 October 7th was a specific intention

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remember that on the Holocaust the first attacks are are war attacks it is all about a war effort and world domination October 7th is about to torture and do such horrific things to civilians to the weakly innocent the so I’m asking you a very simple question I I I’m you asked it I’m I’m ready to answer it I think it was evil and you know if you if you feel it’s uniquely bombed a million Iraqi civilians you’re talking about just like if you’re weighing against civilian cost and again I think

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what how you said about when you read the you know you watch The Passion of the Christ and you have you know your eyes when you watch and I have my Christian eyes very difficult for me to say when the greatest Holocaust that ever happened was against Christians and what the bulvik did to us drowning Us in barges I cannot like I I cannot discount the things that have happened to Christians we are actually the most persecuted religion in the world and it’s never described as uniquely evil and so what happened October 7th is evil

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full stop what has happened in the past to Christians what is happening currently to Christians in Armenia it’s evil so I I I you’re feeling that it’s Unique is probably you know is is I want to recognize it but I don’t I don’t want to sit here and pretend I make a simpler question minimize what what I’ve been through I mean unique evils slavery I’m a black woman I mean there’s tons of things that have happened and I don’t want I don’t want to pretend that I think that what when it happens to Jews

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it’s somehow more evil or more unique than it happens to other groups all around the world I’m ask you I’m going to ask you a specific simpler question do you believe there is a qualitative difference between what was done on October 7th and the horrible tragedies that are going on in Gaza with children being used to suon Shields and dying with with and being killed with all of that there are tragedies going on in Gaza we both agree on do you believe that there is a a radical difference between what happened October 7th and

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what is going on there or do you believe that there is really not a moral and huge qualitative difference it’s one of how it’s happening is different how it’s happening is different there’s no question different it’s evil just the same way children innocent children dying if the consequence of children is dying of course it is it is an evil thing for innocent children to be dying I Me Do You Believe okay so so I want to make sure hearing okay I don’t want to misinterpret you I’m asking for specific

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answers always an evil and I again say this as a Christian it is always an evil when innocent children are killed always an evil so do you believe that October 7th is more evil than what’s happening when the innocent children I didn’t pardon I’m asking you what I’m asking you the simple question do you believe there’s a greater depth of evil in what happened October 7th than any of the tragedies that are happening in actually let me let me let me actually toss this back to you because this is this is a

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great no no no no no no no no this is a great question I’m glad you asked this but I want to toss this to you because one of the things that was also radically misinterpreted actually I was talking about Brian mass in his language when he said uh that you know there’s no such thing as an innocent Palestinian life I thought that was horrifically genocidal to say that and that has been a huge conflict of whether or not what’s happening is genocidal over not genocidal and something that I don’t think that we have a clear definition on

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uh is genocide and this is obviously the word was created post Holocaust and so I would just like to get from you because that we’re running because we are running out of time I I so so I’m not I’m I’m just I’m not trying to d i don’t use the word you don’t use the word genocide nope so you wouldn’t describe the Holocaust as a genocide um I would describe it in other ways it’s just not the language I use so for me to say that this is a definition would be arrogant and inappropriate

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because what percentage of a certain group of people have to that would a genocide because think that’s part of back listen if we can just say amount of people percentage of people dying of the same cand ethnic group Candace you don’t I’m telling you point to blank you’re asking me to define a term that I don’t go around utilizing okay so I so I don’t you’re T you’re saying Define this and what I’m saying is I I don’t use that term I am asking you a simple question which you

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have avoided a yes or no on I haven’t avoided a yes or no on anything I’ve been answering you this entire time I am just saying that if the consequence for me I I cannot like what happened on October 7th to me was so horrific and was so evil and it partially the reason why I believed it was so horrific and so evil was there was no military Target you were just targeting civilians and civilians are innocent right and so for you to then tell me is it more or less evil when now innocent civilians what what is the number at can you tell

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me what the number is at of of Palestinian children that I can’t becauseas stories AR I’m asking you I’m not asking himas I’m asking you I’m asking I’m ask I’m gonna try make when you’re asking me to compare compare you’re actually asking me to do is to compare is is to State whether or not I believe please let me finish I feel that that question okay is you trying to stat question I believe I believe that what happened in October 7 is a uniquely dark form of evil on a whole other level on a whole other level

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in every way shape or form of evil than anything that is happening in God do you agree with my statement or disagree I don’t need explanations do you agree with me or disagree I’m I’m I I have said to you a thousand times I feel like what you are asking me to do right now I’m I’m looking at the cost of life this is how I analyze things you can’t agree you’re not going to agree with I am uncomfortable with the amount of innocent life that is lost right now in Goda you’re not I am not let’s move on

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let’s move on because there’s other stuff because there’s another piece in that part of it feels like you want me to weigh like is Jewish is Jewish innocent life worth more than Palestinian innocent life and I’m not comfortable with that you already made that you made that clear that that you don’t do it the same or You’ be able to say that would happen I you innocent life as innocent life like I’m I’m saying I just innocent life lost cand you’ve made it clear you weren’t able to

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answer yes to that question fine let’s move on to something else that is but I want to again St yourself clear I don’t need more no you made clear you’re good I’m good please stop because it’s important for listeners to understand when you ask a question like that okay different than you’re saying do you think it is Justified for people to defend themselves you are basically asking me a question is more Israeli life is that more of an evil when when it’s lost than when more Israeli than

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more innocent life and I am not comfortable with that question chandice that’s not what I said I no I made a statement of my beliefs and only asked you if you could agree or disagree you couldn’t take a stand I’d like to move to something else in that article that we have not discussed because I am conscious of time which is you make a comment in in again and I think you do want to discuss this as well I’m going to guess and I want to be conscious of your time because I think it’s important

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you said we stand on October 7th that’s fine um it’s you stand where you stand uh you make a comment in your comments back toot about and again you make an equivalency where you talk about the Hollywood Jewish gangs that Kanye West believes that and that shouldn’t we be able to talk about them and you make the analogy with Crips and blood Bloods MH and I make the comment how anti-semitic this is because it’s a Trope that goes back almost 100 years there was a and how how Jews control Hollywood in the 20s the

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Hollywood entertainment industry was started by majority of them people studos were Jews they couldn’t get jobs in anything any other business when they came to this country many of them were sons of rabbis and there’s a truth and there’s a great book called Empire of their own how the entertainment industry was started by Jews and how they did control Hollywood in the early days they employed other Jews who were unemployable that stops by the 60s and 70s and it’s totally gone by the 80s and 90s okay and and it and it is gone it is

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a Trope that people saying understand that when go back remember we talked about the blood the blood liel blood liel has become a term that understood by academics anthropologists socialist not political but social social Anthropologist the blood light is when you blaming Jews for the problems of people that other people that you’re radically blaming them for because of the anti-Semitism as a form of anti-Semitism for many decades you were told oh the Jews control Hollywood this secret cabal and they control

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Hollywood you perpetuated that again I understand you defending against smly B I understand that you’ve explained yourself about Rabbi but you made the specific comments about this Jewish group I think you call them gangs or thugs as opposed to saying that there are people who are who run Hollywood who are bad people do bad things I’m not going to question whether there are or are not but you identify the noun to their adjectively acting badly as a Jew when the reality is that Jews don’t control Hood there may be

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many Executives who are Jews but that doesn’t mean that they are anything other than Jew and name only they go to Temple tce a year you and I both know Christians like that right yes uh so I just know like that right I wouldn’t chisti I would not judge Christians based on the idea that some of those guys who don’t really practice Christianity as my friends who are pastors Define it I’m not Christian that people call themselves Christians but don’t act in a Christian way I would never use the noun of

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Christians whether these people their mothers were Jewish or not you perpetuated an anti-semitic Trope that is almost a century old and as opposed to saying there are some bad guys who are doing bad things and when they’re called out about it they hide behind a call of anti-Semitism that’s a very different kind of statement that you could have said as opposed to talking about the Hollywood Jews the Jews controlling Hollywood that whole thing well I never said I never said the Jews control Hollywood but Jewish people have said that um we

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can share an article off a link here La that was published in the LA Times a couple of years ago where a Jewish man wrote let’s face it we do run Hollywood that was totally fine a couple of years ago maybe he’s anti-emetic though fine it’s not ever been fine okay I’m just saying I’m just saying like this was something this has been said and it’s actually funny because I was reading uh a very old article yesterday uh forgetting the guy’s name I’m blinking on him but he’s he was the

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founder of screw magazine he’s a Jewish guy Al Al something I’m blanking on his name anyways he gave a very long interview about how you know the Jews hire the Jews when they get into Hollywood and like I said this was said not a hundred years ago so this was something that many many jewi people have that many Jewish people have said but sure I guess you’re saying now it’s a Trope but I just want to be clear that many Jewish people have said this in many interviews within the last 50 years okay as I said there’s I do want to

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press pause on that ask you a question is it possible for Jewish people to form a gang full stop to find gang to to form a gang I I mean let me phrase that because I don’t need to ask I don’t even need to ask that question the answer is of course there is because there were Jewish gangs in New York of course common sense that Jewish people can form a gang black people can form a gang gangs exist will always exist Jewish gangs have existed and will always exist like you know worldwide gangs happen how absurd it is

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to say that if you think that they there is a gang that is operating to even suggest that there might be a person in the that is automatically a Trope that would mean it was it would be impossible for us to to illustrate as soon as you say it’s a Trope and magically you can’t talk about it I gave examples of of multiple people in Hollywood okay we’re talking about from Dave Chappelle to Kanye West to Cat Williams to other artists that are Christian that have said that there is some sort of a gang full stop that is

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operating in Hollywood I then gave example of a list of exact names that Michael Jackson said were operating as a gang rabie schie was Rabbi schmi was among that list of people so to say that we can’t even Explore that possibility that Rabbi schmi you know and that that this list that somebody is giving or something that artists are saying might be true is somehow anti-semitic I’m not saying all black people or I mean I’m sorry all Jewish people are gang members I am saying that it is of course possible that a gang is operating

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anywhere in the world that should just be allowed to be said without being accused of creating a TR Candace C Candace again we’re at the same place of that we start at of when I said to you I don’t get to tell a black man if there’s if he’s feeling racist I don’t get to tell a woman if you’re experiencing misog I keep telling you that things you have said repeatedly are hurtful to a huge number of Jews and are considered anti-semitic and instead of hearing any wow I didn’t realize that all I have heard for the

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lengthy time we’ve been on we’ve been on together which I again things very gracious and kind of you but all I have heard from you not one sense of responsibility not one you know I’ve said to you that if something is true or not true I don’t have issues saying I’m wrong I don’t have apologize but I haven’t heard from you one sense of responsibility that you have just use this as the example you have tapped into a thousand year old blood Lial Trope a century old Trope specifically about Hollywood and and you

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keep going off well can’t this be intellectually right can’t can’t you do this can’t you’ve heard a bunch of Jews did you want to absolutely absolutely not okay you did you have you continue to yes I understand and what I will say you don’t want to then then then realize that what you’re saying is it Taps into centuries old hate realiz going to tell you that when I am speaking I get what you are saying I get what you are saying but I’m going to tell you what this is reminisent to

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me of this is reminition sorry listen please just let me finish my statement this this is reminition to me of when I got interested about BLM and I thought that there was corruption in BLM and black people all over America were crying insisting on the BLM narrative and I thought that there was corruption and that this was operating like a gang and they were taking money and there was money laundering there were tons of people Al sharpened among them and it sounds a little you know you can’t possibly say this canace you can’t it

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leans into this it leans into that but my instincts are my instincts and I have a right to pursue those instincts and to the extent that any black person was harmed in the making of my documentary and then I ended up being proven right that there was corruption that was happening I’m very sorry that they felt that way so I will say to the extent that any person who is finding my interest in what is happening in Hollywood feels that is leaning into some Trope and that I shouldn’t you know keep going I am sorry that you feel that

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way but I am also going to follow sorry that is just disingenuous that’s not but I’m telling you that I understand that people have feelings but I would like to follow and pursue the facts and the facts are that many people in Hollywood are saying that there is some sort of a gang that is operating I am not blaming Jewish people an okay well I’m not blaming Jewish people for that at all so I just want to be very clear that is an anti-semitic Trope that has led to all sorts of of of of horrible things what let

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whatw I’m telling you as someone who knows this that and by the way again maybe you should read what I was writing about BLM because you and I were on the same page okay and did you get also get called racist and people calling you all sorts of names that maybe weren’t true because you thought BLM was just actually corrupt I actually took them on about the fact that all lives matter my house was band like four times and that was considered racist at that time so would you have been right to revoke that and

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apologize to black people because they said that that was racist or so no one but here’s the thing no one sat there and said you’re a racist about it they said racist they said all sorts of things and I got death threats and as I say my house was vandalized four times m i called for a strike I called for a strike of MLB on PJ media of Major League Baseball the day that they decided to put BLM on Major League Bas and if someone said to me you know what you’re playing into a stereotype that goes back centuries old of fill in the

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blank I would have Rewritten something I would have said I’m sorry okay I am telling you with absolute Authority that what you are saying about hwood is anti-Semitic there’s not a this is what theologians this this is constant and it is an expression of a blood liel going back to 11:44 you’re saying well I don’t mean to hurt someone okay if I apologize to you my apology would be gee I apologize I’m sorry for what I did I’m sorry not I’m sorry for how you feel well no I’m genuinely am sorry if you interpreted my

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susp I no I genuinely am sorry if you interpreted that like my suspicion about a gang operating Hollywood to be some sort of a condemnation of all Jews it’s actually the exact opposite which is why specifically named I’m telling you that that you that are you going to let me let me speak what that that is the reason why I specifically named Rabbi schmi who was listed at by Michael Jackson who has been listed multiple times and who I believe operates like a gang member by his threats that he’s been saying against me that he’s going

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to bankrupt me I’m not going to pretend that I don’t think that Rabbi schmi operates like a thug and I’m going to withhold my me stating that clearly because you’re saying well that leans into an trob him being Jewish doesn’t mean anything to me him AC acting like a thug and making threats against my life and livelihood is something wait I say RAB I did say Rabbi schi time out because you just said something okay that that is really beautiful if you walked if you walked that talk you just

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said him being Jewish him being a rabbi doesn’t have anything to do with him being a thug I said that on my episode too about the bugs and the Crips wa wait wait wait wait wait I I don’t watch your episodes can is forgive well how can you write these articles and then say I’m sorry I didn’t watch it that’s that is that is that completely ridiculous so you get to write articles and and liable me but then say I didn’t watch the episode you wrote a whole section on the episode I watched the clip that you do

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but that’s ridiculous you literally said you wrote an entire paragraph saying that I attacked him as a thug a monster all of this stuff and you bring up the Bloods and the Crips which is from that episode but fail to mention that I said they’re using I watch your blood Crips wait wait Candace I watched your blood CPS part and I read your comments on Twitter about calling the specifically in that episode of Bloods and Crips said that being Jewish is being used as seals has nothing to do with the fact that

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they’re Jewish whatsoever you kept saying but you kept call I’m a rabbi and the simple reality is if you really believe okay that is doing something wrong he’s operating a thug which I hear you believe if you believe that he is acting in whatever way okay calling him out on that God bless you but when you take it to the place of putting Unholy Rabbi because that’s your definition when you take it to the place of him being a if he’s a jerk to you he’s a jerk to you it doesn’t matter if he’s a rabbi a priest

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Jewish or whatever right so why bring up the rabbi and Jewish part well first off that’s he goes by Rabbi schmi so that’s just isn’t wa wait wait but wait I’m not but why bring up if if if someone’s being a jerk to you it doesn’t matter if they’re white black purple Jewish Catholic or anything else they’re being a jerk okay so all we ever need to do is call them out for being a jerk I didn’t say Rabbi Rabbi schmi is being a jerk to me because he’s Jewish I just called him Rabbi schi

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because that’s what he goes by we are we are we are running out of time so I do I do want to give you just a full minute here to wrap up and to express to people how you feel about this issue because I think that’s really important look I I first of all I appreciate that you wanted to have a dialogue in any form what I extremely um I’m extremely sad I’m a little bit optimistic I am optimistic that maybe you and I can have a dialogue after you watch October 7th this film if you actually do see it and I will arrange

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for it just have your I can do with scy your producer um and put them in the right contact to arrange it for and if you really watch it very interested in your reaction that’s I’m a little bit optimistic about that I am severely disappointed that we have spent however long and I do appreciate the time however long together I think over an hour probably right um and I do appreciate that um I am extremely disappointed that I did not once hear I like to we have a concept called chuba and Judaism chuba means that when you’ve

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done something wrong you recognize you did it wrong you apologize for doing trying to fixing up to again makes for a healthy society and I am extremely extremely disappointed that not once in our conversation I hear you take responsibility for what you said you have taken responsibility I’m sorry if that made you feel that way I’m extremely disappointed that you have decided you have a clearer definition of anti-semitism than or saxs myself Ben Shapiro Etc going back Scholars academics whomever I’m extremely

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disappointed that not once have I heard you say wow I messed up Rabbi I realize what you’re saying understand what I did wrong you know what I’m not going to phrase it that way again using shm’s the example you could just say you know what you’re right I don’t need to attack him and his daughter being rabbis I don’t they’re just bad people to me I don’t need to make a comment about a Hollywood gang of Jews they’re just bad guys who running Hollywood that may have whatever

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relationships you’ve tapped into ancient tropes of an anti-semite tropes you have repeatedly repeatedly uh demonstrated a hate for Judaism and Jews now I’m hoping that will change but it takes a certain level of self-awareness to be willing to say I did wrong I’m sorry I’m going to do it different I pray and hope that you will I believe um I do trust when people say you have a nice heart niess and and I really would hope that ultimately um we can we’re both conservatives there are a lot of Jewish

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conservatives a lot of black conservatives and we can all be on the same side pointing in the same direction as opposed to being split because of these kind of repeated comments it wasn’t just one repeated that you made and again I hope that that will change after you watch the documentary which you committed to me you will do so thank you for allowing me be here it’s your show so thank you very much for being here and like I said we are not going to edit you in any uh way we will definitely give you the ability to send

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that video that you said of of me attacking Ben which I am very sure doesn’t exist thank you for reminding me that so I and then uh last I want to say is I have faith in one question Candace I actually this went very long and I have to get to a temple meeting and then I have lunch with a mutual friend of ours actually um uh so I don’t know when I can get that to does it matter if I don’t get it to till late this afternoon um that should be okay okay I I just I just I just want to be you know I want to be respectful

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and I also I wanted to this has gone for both of us this has gone on much longer and I appreciate yeah no worries and I would have you back we should always want more speech not less of it nobody should ever be calling for the censorship of any person I uh believe in free speech even the speech I disagree with what I’ll say is what I always say I have faith in my audience they know who I am they know what I have said and what in what context I have said it I have a huge Jewish following and I am confident in their their belief in me

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stems from the fact that they’ve been listening to the show and they know that I hold no hatred in my heart against Jews I just don’t believe any group is exceptional I don’t believe any group black white Spanish you watch my show you’re going to get offended and I am always going to call out wrongness when I see it and to the extent that we are using anti-Semitism as a tool to Bar people from critiquing certain individuals Allah RAB Shuli it is going to make an enemy of me but I will never be AG of the Jewish people so ladies and

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gentlemen thank you so much for watching the show today I cannot wait to see your comments stick around because as usual tomorrow will be back with a brand new episode all right guys I’m just picking this up really quickly because as you heard throughout that discussion uh the rabbi said that after the conversation he would send to us evidence within the Tucker Carlson interview of my having attacked Ben chapiro for being pro- Israel he was unable to produce a part of that discussion with Tucker as evidence what he sent us instead was a

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tweet that I wrote and just to contextualize this in response to a tweet that Ben had written obviously everyone’s aware of this public Feud Ben told me to quit and I responded with this I wrote in response you have been acting unprofessional and emotionally unhinged for weeks now and we have all had to sit back and allow it and have all tried to exercise exceeding understanding for your raw emotion but you cross a certain line when you come for scripture and read yourself into it I will not tolerate it I wrote that in

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response to Ben writing Candace if you feel that taking money from a daily wire somehow comes between you and God by all means quit he was writing that in response to Biblical scripture I had tweeted blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called the children of God blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness sake for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven blessed when men shall revile you and persecute you and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely for my sake no one can serve two masters either you will hate the one and

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love the other or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other you cannot serve both God and money scripture from Matthews so again this is just in the interest of being an honest person and giving him an opportunity to produce his evidence that is what the rabbi sent us over was my tweet in response to Ben I would not interpret that as me being on the attack but that is how the rabbi read it so there you have [Music] it